Comments on: How to light a correct Divo – part 2 http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2 The definitive blog on Zarathushtrian Mysticism - Ilm-e-Khshnoom Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:17:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Ervad Marzban J. Hathiram http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-39490 Ervad Marzban J. Hathiram Sun, 18 Sep 2011 04:05:59 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-39490 @Percy Madon Diva glasses become black because of the accumulated carbon black caused by the burning oil. Sometimes the kakra used are thick and hence make a strong flame. As the level of the oil goes down, the flame also goes down and comes into contact with the sides of the glass. The carbon gets stuck there and through repeated use, or the glass not being washed thoroughly, the glass becomes black. @Percy Madon
Diva glasses become black because of the accumulated carbon black caused by the burning oil. Sometimes the kakra used are thick and hence make a strong flame. As the level of the oil goes down, the flame also goes down and comes into contact with the sides of the glass. The carbon gets stuck there and through repeated use, or the glass not being washed thoroughly, the glass becomes black.

]]> By: Percy Madon http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-39379 Percy Madon Sat, 17 Sep 2011 06:13:37 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-39379 Thank you Madam Mehernaz, I agree with you, sometimes our Parsi people get carried away with religion. Can anyone tell me why those DIVA Glasses become BLACK sometimes. I have seen a whole lot of them BLACK divas in Anjuman and Banaji. Thank you Madam Mehernaz, I agree with you, sometimes our Parsi people get carried away with religion. Can anyone tell me why those DIVA Glasses become BLACK sometimes. I have seen a whole lot of them BLACK divas in Anjuman and Banaji.

]]> By: mehernaaz panthaki http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-39332 mehernaaz panthaki Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:44:00 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-39332 I totally disagree and feel so pity at the thoughts of people who are discriminating humans in the name of religion. In which gathas or oour holy books has it been mentioned that non zorastrians should not be allowed to clean the vessels and touch the divo. For your kind information, the fire is a sign of purity and nothing can make it unclean , so stop propogating wrong ideas. The only basis of our religion which prophet zarthosth taught and spead was GOOD words, Good thoughts and good deeds. It was these thoughts which brought people to form accept this and practise this religion. Hence our religion is based on the 3 fundamental principles and anyone who speaks against it in name of religion is not a zarthosthi. I am a zarthosthi. I believe in doing good to others , irrespective of his religion. In such case, is the dog at doongarwadi a parsi...?? I believe that if we have good thoughts, good words and good deeds , we follow the path of our religion. Practices like doing 3 divos and keeping them away from non zarhosthis is nothing but shows how small and little our thinking is toward the humanity and towards gods creation. Finally if there is only god and one creator of universe , has the same god not created non zarthosthis too. Its high time we really grow out of this clumsy behaviour and stop spreading the wrong ideology and practis true religion.... service to others... the one which our prophet truly believed and lived for. Grow up bawas!!.. The light of god is to spread and not to be covered. Evil is in the mind not in the eyes Keep your mind open to do good things and bad will never touch you. Let there be light in you as you shall be the light to the world. Think about it. I totally disagree and feel so pity at the thoughts of people who are discriminating humans in the name of religion.
In which gathas or oour holy books has it been mentioned that non zorastrians should not be allowed to clean the vessels and touch the divo.
For your kind information, the fire is a sign of purity and nothing can make it unclean , so stop propogating wrong ideas.
The only basis of our religion which prophet zarthosth taught and spead was GOOD words, Good thoughts and good deeds.
It was these thoughts which brought people to form accept this and practise this religion.
Hence our religion is based on the 3 fundamental principles and anyone who speaks against it in name of religion is not a zarthosthi.
I am a zarthosthi. I believe in doing good to others , irrespective of his religion. In such case, is the dog at doongarwadi a parsi…??
I believe that if we have good thoughts, good words and good deeds , we follow the path of our religion.
Practices like doing 3 divos and keeping them away from non zarhosthis is nothing but shows how small and little our thinking is toward the humanity and towards gods creation. Finally if there is only god and one creator of universe , has the same god not created non zarthosthis too.
Its high time we really grow out of this clumsy behaviour and stop spreading the wrong ideology and practis true religion…. service to others… the one which our prophet truly believed and lived for.
Grow up bawas!!.. The light of god is to spread and not to be covered.
Evil is in the mind not in the eyes
Keep your mind open to do good things and bad will never touch you.
Let there be light in you as you shall be the light to the world.
Think about it.

]]> By: Behram Wadia http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-30981 Behram Wadia Tue, 31 May 2011 00:04:17 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-30981 As per my understanding the "Velevelni Nyaiesh" is prayed up to the Uthamna, and after Satum no kardo or farokshi is prayed. Velevel ni Nyaiesh being Patete Ravani in conjunction with Sarosh Yast Vadi or Hadokht. As per my understanding the “Velevelni Nyaiesh” is prayed up to the Uthamna, and after Satum no kardo or farokshi is prayed. Velevel ni Nyaiesh being Patete Ravani in conjunction with Sarosh Yast Vadi or Hadokht.

]]> By: rohinton http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-30971 rohinton Mon, 30 May 2011 14:08:54 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-30971 sir also wanted to know can we pray namaskar dakhma no after our kushti when we are at the doongerwadi or any such namaskars can they be prayed soon as we finish kushti like cherag namaskar in aiwi gah and ushain gah similarly can we pray the remaining other namaskar after kushti . Secondly can the remaining namaskar be prayed after sunset except cherag no namaskar in all 5 gahs as u said but the remaining namaskars can they be prayed after sunset . sir also wanted to know can we pray namaskar dakhma no after our kushti when we are at the doongerwadi or any such namaskars can they be prayed soon as we finish kushti like cherag namaskar in aiwi gah and ushain gah similarly can we pray the remaining other namaskar after kushti . Secondly can the remaining namaskar be prayed after sunset except cherag no namaskar in all 5 gahs as u said but the remaining namaskars can they be prayed after sunset .

]]> By: rohinton http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-30970 rohinton Mon, 30 May 2011 13:59:38 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-30970 Thank your for your reply but i still have a doubt abt the patet wish i could scan the page and show you . sir can i have your email address in which i could converse with you ? Thank you for all the prompt replies you have given me . Thank your for your reply but i still have a doubt abt the patet wish i could scan the page and show you . sir can i have your email address in which i could converse with you ? Thank you for all the prompt replies you have given me .

]]> By: Ervad Marzban J. Hathiram http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-30883 Ervad Marzban J. Hathiram Sun, 29 May 2011 01:12:04 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-30883 Namaskar can be prayed after the Farajyat, except Diva no Namaskar in aiwisruthrem which should be prayed immediately after the Kusti. Patet should not be recited in first three days. Only from Chaharum onwards. For Ruvan Machi, always pray Ruvan ni Patet, taking name in each Karda, along with father's/husband's name, not single name as is practiced everywhere. Namaskar can be prayed after the Farajyat, except Diva no Namaskar in aiwisruthrem which should be prayed immediately after the Kusti.

Patet should not be recited in first three days. Only from Chaharum onwards. For Ruvan Machi, always pray Ruvan ni Patet, taking name in each Karda, along with father’s/husband’s name, not single name as is practiced everywhere.

]]> By: rohinton http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-30875 rohinton Sat, 28 May 2011 20:22:07 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-30875 Sir , Please correct me if iam mistaken or wrong anywhere in my statement. Thank you for all your help and prompt replies .If someday in person i happen to meet you have bunch of queries. Hope someday i do meet you in person and sorry for all the bother. Thank You very much once again... Sir , Please correct me if iam mistaken or wrong anywhere in my statement.

Thank you for all your help and prompt replies .If someday in person i happen to meet you have bunch of queries. Hope someday i do meet you in person and sorry for all the bother.

Thank You very much once again…

]]> By: rohinton http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-30874 rohinton Sat, 28 May 2011 20:15:38 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-30874 Sir, Thank you for answering all my queries as i have read them in your updated post . Just few more queries ... 1. When do we pray the namaskar for example cherag no namaskar is it usually done after the kusti or after our entire fradjyat. not just namaskar of cherag but any namaskar like parvatno or pani no or urvar no any namaskar when are they to be recited before fradjyat or after fradjyat. if suppose i go to doongerwadi when do i recite namaskar dakhmano is that after my kushti or after fradjyat want your advise. 2. its a bit out from the topic but iam also an ervad just want to clarify my doubt on Patet . My query is want to know when do we pray the ravaan ni patet and pashemani . Usually as per my knowledge as per khnum they say ravani ni patet first 3 days is not to be prayed for the dead on the 4th day it can be prayed . if wanted patet pashemani can be prayed . Now as per the books as u said bapaji book it says first 3 days patet ravan ni is compulsory if u notice u see patet ravani in there . Some Khordeh avesta which i have state clearly that Patet ravani should be prayed for first 3 days only and after 3 days one should recite patet pashemani with names of decease in the last karda . eg dastur meherjirana khordeh avesta. Also wanted to know when ravan ni machi is offered which patet to pray ?ravani or pashemani ? I want your opinion as its very confusing as your aware each agiary has its own practices . I have read the meanings of kshnum as to why patet ravaan can or not be prayed But want your opinion as to what would be right for me . Thank you . Sir, Thank you for answering all my queries as i have read them in your updated post .
Just few more queries …
1. When do we pray the namaskar for example cherag no namaskar is it usually done after the kusti or after our entire fradjyat. not just namaskar of cherag but any namaskar like parvatno or pani no or urvar no any namaskar when are they to be recited before fradjyat or after fradjyat. if suppose i go to doongerwadi when do i recite namaskar dakhmano is that after my kushti or after fradjyat want your advise.

2. its a bit out from the topic but iam also an ervad just want to clarify my doubt on Patet . My query is want to know when do we pray the ravaan ni patet and pashemani . Usually as per my knowledge as per khnum they say ravani ni patet first 3 days is not to be prayed for the dead on the 4th day it can be prayed . if wanted patet pashemani can be prayed .
Now as per the books as u said bapaji book it says first 3 days patet ravan ni is compulsory if u notice u see patet ravani in there .
Some Khordeh avesta which i have state clearly that Patet ravani should be prayed for first 3 days only and after 3 days one should recite patet pashemani with names of decease in the last karda . eg dastur meherjirana khordeh avesta.

Also wanted to know when ravan ni machi is offered which patet to pray ?ravani or pashemani ?

I want your opinion as its very confusing as your aware each agiary has its own practices . I have read the meanings of kshnum as to why patet ravaan can or not be prayed But want your opinion as to what would be right for me . Thank you .

]]> By: Ervad Marzban J. Hathiram http://www.frashogard.com/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-30817 Ervad Marzban J. Hathiram Fri, 27 May 2011 13:12:43 +0000 http://www.frashogard.com/index.php/how-to-light-a-correct-divo-part-2/#comment-30817 Cherag no Namskar can be prayed in all the five Gahs. Cherag no Namskar can be prayed in all the five Gahs.

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